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  What not to say...

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys.

  i was recently talking to a old friend who is a very active elder.

  i was talking about ' the truth' and he suggested i sounded like an apostate because i used terms like ' the society' and ' watchtower '.. i am aware that ' dubspeak ' has changed over the years and i am pretty sure that someone posted about it here but i can't find the thread.

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  joey jojo

  Thx for the replies.

  He had a big problem with the term 'the society '. He actually went so far as to say I wasn't speaking the ' pure language '.

  I told him it's ingrained so who cares because we both knew what I was talking about.
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  What not to say...

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys.

  i was recently talking to a old friend who is a very active elder.

  i was talking about ' the truth' and he suggested i sounded like an apostate because i used terms like ' the society' and ' watchtower '.. i am aware that ' dubspeak ' has changed over the years and i am pretty sure that someone posted about it here but i can't find the thread.

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  joey jojo

  Hey guys.

  I was recently talking to a old friend who is a very active elder. I was talking about ' the truth' and he suggested I sounded like an apostate because I used terms like ' the society' and ' watchtower '.

  I am aware that ' dubspeak ' has changed over the years and I am pretty sure that someone posted about it here but I can't find the thread.

  Anyone able to help out?

  Cheers ☺
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  Violent Games/Movie

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all through my childhood, i was told about the evils of violence (and magic) in entertainment, i doubt i could count the number of movies and video games i wasn't allowed to enjoy for that very reason.

  i did always watch movies and play video games with a certain amount of violence in them, but i was careful to keep it at the teen/pg-13 rating.. in the last year or so though i've started trying out games like skyrim, fallout 3, and thief.

  (since i still live with my parents i'm careful about where and when i play them.

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  Forgot to add. These days, instead of watching TV or a movie, a lot of people prefer to unwind by playing online games.

  Instead of mindlessly watching something, you get a chance to be proactive in shaping your experience.

  Its pure escapism, just like many other recreational activities.
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  Violent Games/Movie

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all through my childhood, i was told about the evils of violence (and magic) in entertainment, i doubt i could count the number of movies and video games i wasn't allowed to enjoy for that very reason.

  i did always watch movies and play video games with a certain amount of violence in them, but i was careful to keep it at the teen/pg-13 rating.. in the last year or so though i've started trying out games like skyrim, fallout 3, and thief.

  (since i still live with my parents i'm careful about where and when i play them.

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  Many modern multiplayer online games are about player cooperation. As a player, you usually join or form a guild / tribe /clan with other players and work towards goals as a team.

  I believe this can be beneficial as there are people of all ages from all over the world in these teams. They use online chat to converse and plan strategies to help or defeat other player groups.

  Some players have been playing the same game for 5- 15 years. Player groups have real life social events and even real marriages have occurred from meeting online in a game.

  From my experience, the most common danger is forming an addiction to games, when you go through periods of falling asleep and waking up thinking about a game. This has a broader effect on relationships and socialising.

  My opinion is that for someone to be inspired by a game to carry out some atrocity, there must be other factors like mental illness or drugs involved.

  I doubt there has ever been a more despicable time in human history than the second world war. Human beings did every sick thing possible to other human beings. What was their influence?
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  Violent Games/Movie

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all through my childhood, i was told about the evils of violence (and magic) in entertainment, i doubt i could count the number of movies and video games i wasn't allowed to enjoy for that very reason.

  i did always watch movies and play video games with a certain amount of violence in them, but i was careful to keep it at the teen/pg-13 rating.. in the last year or so though i've started trying out games like skyrim, fallout 3, and thief.

  (since i still live with my parents i'm careful about where and when i play them.

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  Have just started playing Conan Exiles, based on the world of Conan the barbarian .

  You start the game with your character hanging on a cross completely naked and you can alter your characters appearance, even the size of their boobs and weiners. Ha ha, 2017, what a time to be alive.

  The game features human sacrifice and slavery. If this isn't enough, the game developers are talking about introducing castration.

  No, I am not making this up. It is one of the most popular games on steam right now.
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  Making life and death/life altering decisions based on commands from someone you're not sure exists

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  straight from the off, i will say that i'm 100% atheist.

  i have no faith.

  however, it occurred to me while thinking back over my involvement with the jw religion and especially when i take into account personal and family situations where people have made life altering choices due to being jw's, just how crazy it really is.

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  joey jojo

  Faith:

  Whether or not it's true- you believe it.

  Science:

  Whether you believe it or not - it's true.
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  Thoughts on African Americans and Slavery

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  let's start by saying that slavery is of course a terrible thing, one of the worst crimes imaginable, and that "slavery" rarely implies good treatment, anything noble or defensible.

  nowadays, even god doesn't escape judgement from our enlightened views with passages about slavery in the bible usually glossed over because they are shameful.. but not all slavery was equal.. because of the media, movie industry, racial tensions in the us regularly shown on the news and our taught history, i think most people's knowledge and idea of slavery is that of the north atlantic slave trade where white people took africans to work in cotton fields.

  this idea is probably also re-enforced because the largest group of descendents of slaves we see today are african americans (usually in the us or places they subsequently migrated to).. but it's incomplete.. it's only when you look into it more that you discover that there was much more to the slave trade than that, otherwise it would have been just called "the slave trade" and not "the north atlantic slave trade".. some 12.5 million slaves were taken from africa to the us with just under 11 million surviving the trip so it obviously took a terrible toll immediately, even before any maltreatment once they landed in the americas where conditions and treatment were truly awful.

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  I commented on this thread a few days ago and since then have read with interest the various replies. It is certainly a deeply emotive subject.

  My view is from the perspective of a white Australian male. I happen to have 2 beautiful African American cousins but that is another story.

  I was trying to make the point that even though I don't live in the USA, the story of American slavery has become legendary around the world because of the countless books, movies etc concerning the subject.

  I know a fair bit about African American history just from poplular media and without googling I can think of words like Jim Crow, Abraham Lincoln, Uncle Toms cabin, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks. My heart bleeds when I think of the injustice suffered and is still being suffered today.

  While it is extremely important to remember these events, I wonder how many African Americans would be familiar with my ancestral history?

  Me, and a lot of other Aussies are descendants of convicts who were chained and loaded onto over-crowded, unsanitary ships and were sailed from Britain to Australia.

  The convict system was nothing more than systemised torture and brutality. Many convicts lived their entire life in chains, eating sleeping and working in them. Floggings and various tortures were routine and harsh and carried out on men, women and children with the cat of nine tails and other devices. One eyewitness account mentions a 19 yr old boy that was suspected (not charged) with stealing food. He was given 300 lashes with 2 men flogging him at the same time and by the end, his spine was visible.

  Starvation was another discipline used to control the convicts, once again on men, women and children. Many never saw their families again, the youngest female convict was only 11 yrs old when transported. Escapees were severely punished when caught. The punishments on convicts in Australia usually far exceeded what the punishment in Britain would have been for the same crime.

  I could go on. Yes , I know there are differences between African American slavery and the British penal system. But there are many parallels and both groups have thrived and helped build our respective countries.
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  Thoughts on African Americans and Slavery

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  let's start by saying that slavery is of course a terrible thing, one of the worst crimes imaginable, and that "slavery" rarely implies good treatment, anything noble or defensible.

  nowadays, even god doesn't escape judgement from our enlightened views with passages about slavery in the bible usually glossed over because they are shameful.. but not all slavery was equal.. because of the media, movie industry, racial tensions in the us regularly shown on the news and our taught history, i think most people's knowledge and idea of slavery is that of the north atlantic slave trade where white people took africans to work in cotton fields.

  this idea is probably also re-enforced because the largest group of descendents of slaves we see today are african americans (usually in the us or places they subsequently migrated to).. but it's incomplete.. it's only when you look into it more that you discover that there was much more to the slave trade than that, otherwise it would have been just called "the slave trade" and not "the north atlantic slave trade".. some 12.5 million slaves were taken from africa to the us with just under 11 million surviving the trip so it obviously took a terrible toll immediately, even before any maltreatment once they landed in the americas where conditions and treatment were truly awful.

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  joey jojo

  If you didn't know better, you could be forgiven for assuming that African Americans were the only group ever in the history of the world to be forced into slavery due to Hollywood and other media.

  Sadly, it's happened all through history and there wouldn't be too many people alive, black or white, that aren't descendants of slaves. African American slavery is one of the most recent and therefore the most relevant to our modern history that we are familiar with.

  During the middle ages so many white Slavics were forced into slavery that the word slave became synonomous with Slav.

  If you go back far enough, most groups of people have been smashed. Its just a sad case of the strong ( at the time) taking advantage of the vulnerable.

  Human rights, children rights, animal rights are all very recent concepts.
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  A Brother refusing to pray?

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i remember there was a brother in my congregation while i was in who would comment at all meetings but if asked to pray at a meeting or meeting for service he would always politely refuse.

  i always found it odd, i assumed as a young bro, that a bro was kind of obligated to pray if asked.

  knowing what i know now, it could have been a guilty conscience or maybe he just wanted to be lowkey.

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  joey jojo

  Edited to add, the only things I was 'allowed' to do were, answering at meetings and I could go witnessing.
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  A Brother refusing to pray?

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i remember there was a brother in my congregation while i was in who would comment at all meetings but if asked to pray at a meeting or meeting for service he would always politely refuse.

  i always found it odd, i assumed as a young bro, that a bro was kind of obligated to pray if asked.

  knowing what i know now, it could have been a guilty conscience or maybe he just wanted to be lowkey.

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  joey jojo

  The guy was probably privately reproved and on restrictions.

  I had first hand experience in my younger days :). Such fond memories growing up in ' the truth '. A teenager facing 3 elders spending a solid 20 mins humiliating me in front of my family in order to reprove me.

  Being privately reproved usually means you were a whisker away from being disfellowshipped and as such, you would lose any privileges you had as a baptised brother, including giving prayers.

  When I asked what to say if someone should inadvertantly ask me to pray, the answer was I was required to politely decline.